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#1 SimAnt

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:07 PM

Last week we did a DTF,
Following members were in it:  Danika, Zian, Holosko, BattleWizard, Mica, Kinreth, Simant, EatsAllLife
(let me know if i missed some1)
Eats was holding boss loot, and after the end of the DTF.

Here is chat log: removed PM's, Bolded important lines.
[18:30:09] [SAWolf @ 666]: Please can someone pm me share...I am curious to the profitability :P
[18:30:38] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: VOTD is clear. But can be invaded
[18:30:45] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Lets try and find a safe inside sto?
[18:31:33] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: VOTD seems safest place atm
[18:31:35] [holosko @ 666]: no one wants the items in the bag ?
[18:31:42] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Whats all in the bag?
[18:31:48] [holosko @ 666]: https://snag.gy/4pzMuZ.jpg
[18:31:55] [Mica @ 666]: have at it holosko
[18:32:08] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: 38737 total GC this time
[18:32:20] [BattleWizard @ 666]: one sec, ill take a few
[18:32:34] [Kinreth @ 666]: i got 107gc
[18:32:36] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Wait, still more GC soming
[18:32:50] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: VOTD for all trades
[18:33:05] holosko: take book of troll fighting
[18:33:12] holosko: we don't need it
[18:33:43] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Anybody else have GC?
[18:34:09] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: 42107 total now
[18:34:29] [SimAnt @ 666]: .
[18:34:32] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: ?
[18:34:34] [BattleWizard @ 666]: ty holo. omw to votd
[18:34:37] [SimAnt @ 666]: 514 gc
[18:34:42] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Come come :)
[18:34:44] [SimAnt @ 666]: where is safe
[18:34:47] [SimAnt @ 666]: was on phone
[18:34:57] [Mica @ 666]: everyone who was in DTF come to votd for share of gc
[18:34:58] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: VOTD is safe for now
[18:35:37] Welcome to White Stone, Lakeside Village
[18:35:45] There are 2576 invaded monsters left.
[18:35:51] Welcome to Desert Pines!
[18:35:54] [SimAnt @ 666]: dp invaded
[18:35:59] Welcome to the Mynadar, Valley of the Dwarves!
[18:36:17] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: With stuff my alt can take
[18:36:21] EatsAllLife was notified, now wait to see if s/he wants to trade with you.
[18:36:29] You have been saved!
[18:36:40] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Alright, is everyone in VOTD that wants their share?
[18:36:46]  41000/8 = 5125
[18:36:48] Mica: yes, I do
[18:36:57] BattleWizard: holos still at dtf
[18:36:59] EatsAllLife: Of course
[18:37:15] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Holosko, Zian, are you coming for shares?
[18:37:17] [Mica @ 666]: oh holosko come to votd
[18:37:18] Can't you realise the futility of this action? I mean, come on, trade with yourself?
[18:37:37] [Mica @ 666]: Zian logged out
[18:37:39] [holosko @ 666]: zian seems afk in DTF map :P
[18:37:43] Danika: o/
[18:37:46] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: :/
[18:37:47] [Zian @ 666]: you'll need to sell serp+camo eats
[18:37:53] Mica: o/
[18:37:58] [BattleWizard @ 666]: How much is serp?
[18:38:01] EatsAllLife: 7 way split?
[18:38:02] [Zian @ 666]: eats can have my GC
[18:38:05] Zian is logged in
[18:38:09] holosko: camo dropped ?
[18:38:14] EatsAllLife: Yeah
[18:38:17] holosko: woot :D
[18:38:20] SimAnt: we have camo in this game?
[18:38:27] EatsAllLife: Would you guys mind if I kept it?
[18:38:30] Mica: wow, that's expensive
[18:38:37] BattleWizard: i want serp :3
[18:38:40] EatsAllLife: It's worth a million, literally.
[18:39:00] SimAnt: idk
[18:39:00] EatsAllLife: so 7 way split?
[18:39:04] Mica: we vote or put it up for auction?
[18:39:11] SimAnt: idc*
[18:39:15] holosko: -50 light modifier
[18:39:30] SimAnt: i think the right thing to do is put it in a bag and let if poof
[18:39:35] EatsAllLife: Lol no
[18:39:44] SimAnt: otherwise it will be used for evil pk
[18:39:45] BattleWizard: well its nice to have, but sell to each of us feels wrong
[18:39:57] EatsAllLife: 6 way split then
[18:39:58] SimAnt: idea.
[18:40:08] SimAnt: lets use Rol
[18:40:13] SimAnt:  #roll
[18:40:16] EatsAllLife: Each person gets 7103
[18:40:18] EatsAllLife: gc
[18:40:20] Mica: how we do that?
[18:40:36] SimAnt: we roll dice in 666 channel
[18:40:39] Danika: db
[18:40:42] BattleWizard: example: #roll 1d20+4
[18:40:42] d60 == 31
[18:41:16] SimAnt: sawolf picks number. and closest to it with random roll gets item
[18:41:18] Mica: ty
[18:41:29] Kinreth: thanks
[18:41:36] EatsAllLife: Well I feel it's between Zian and I, as we both did tanking, and Zian didn't want anything...
[18:41:38] EatsAllLife wants to trade with you. Use the trade icon then click on him/her in order to accept the trade.
[18:41:44] EatsAllLife: No problem
[18:41:49] You have been saved!
[18:41:54] SimAnt: if thats how others feel.
[18:42:00] Mica: sawolf has logged out
[18:42:02] Danika: ty
[18:42:06] No player is in the game with the name of grimm
[18:42:18] [SimAnt @ 666]: L pick a number between 1 and 20
[18:42:19] BattleWizard: doesn't matter to me. it'd be nice to have gc for it tho.
[18:42:33] Learner is logged in
[18:42:43] EatsAllLife: 1I just feel since Zian and I did the tanking of bosses it should have been between us, and Zian didn't want it, isf that makes sense
[18:42:43] [SimAnt @ 6]: we need lotto for items from dtf yo.
[18:42:47] EatsAllLife: If*
[18:42:54] SimAnt: i tanked a boss.
[18:42:58] Danika: you going to sell the camo Eats?
[18:43:05] SimAnt: 2 i think
[18:43:24] EatsAllLife: Sim, we mean the real bosses, that was one aimed for BW/Mica
[18:43:37] SimAnt: i just say #roll and be fair.
[18:43:46] SimAnt: otherwise sell
[18:44:03] SimAnt: holo, your thoughts.
[18:44:05] EatsAllLife: I just don't feel we should sell it.
[18:44:10] holosko was notified, now wait to see if s/he wants to trade with you.
[18:44:19] BattleWizard: even if one of us gets it, well prob sell/give to u anyway
[18:44:35] [Kinreth @ 666]: time to go. gnight everyone o/
[18:44:36] EatsAllLife: Like I said, Zian and I did the tanking of the bosses that did damage, I feel it is necessary for between us, and Zian doesn't want anything...
[18:44:38] SimAnt: i'd let it sit in my sto for rainly day
[18:44:47] EatsAllLife: Does that sound reasonable to you guys, it makes sense to me for that logic
[18:44:59] SimAnt: any mob can drop rare stuff though
[18:45:01] holosko: i see you
[18:45:04] SimAnt: and all of us killed mobs
[18:45:06] EatsAllLife: Yeah
[18:45:20] holosko: it doesn't work
[18:45:28] EatsAllLife: figured as much
[18:45:37] Mica: not working
[18:45:39] [Learner @ 6]: we are trying to work out a good system for additional items when you win a DTF, but building up to it
[18:45:40] EatsAllLife: No light modifier here
[18:45:50] BattleWizard: oooh...
[18:45:55] [SimAnt @ 6]: we gota camo drop and deciding how to spilit, i say use #roll
[18:45:58] BattleWizard: well, save it til it does work :P
[18:45:59] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Learner: You should add in light modifier
[18:46:02] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Oops
[18:46:12] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Learner: You should add in light modifier
[18:46:17] BattleWizard: btw anyone have brs for sale>?
[18:46:19] You are too far away! Get closer!
[18:46:20] [Learner @ 6]: is why @#rill gives the results in channel
[18:46:23] [Zian @ 6]: woot^^
[18:46:35] [Learner @ 6]: is why @#roll gives the results in channel
[18:46:42] [SimAnt @ 6]: yes. can u pick a number learner, and we will roll between like 1-20
[18:47:00] [Learner @ 6]: light modifier for visibility was specifically voted out by players, it does still affect ranging
[18:47:09] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Ohh
[18:47:17] You see: SimAnt
[18:47:24] SimAnt: eats left us
[18:47:44] SimAnt: lost faith in the system.
[18:47:55] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: NC invaded seems trolls lower
[18:48:12] SimAnt: so.... eats got serp stone and camo?
[18:48:16] [Mica @ 666]: 1d20+7 == 17
[18:48:24] [SimAnt @ 666]: 1d20 == 2
[18:48:25] Danika: really?
[18:48:42] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Funny thing is the whole time I was thinking either 12, or 17. Meh
[18:48:54] [EatsAllLife @ 666]: Anyways, did everyone get thier share of the GC that wanted it?
[18:48:58] [Mica @ 666]: it's a one, not a L
[18:49:22] [Mica @ 666]: got mine
[18:49:38] SimAnt: holo spend lot of money on arrows and heals
[18:49:44] BattleWizard: so whats up?
[18:49:51] SimAnt: at least make it between u and him
[18:49:52] EatsAllLife: Holo chose to take the whole bag for share, I asked him
[18:49:54] Danika: yeah me too
[18:50:17] holosko: 883 shots, 87 remote heals :)
[18:50:20] Danika: ty
[18:50:26] EatsAllLife: Np
[18:50:30] holosko: I took the bag
[18:50:34] SimAnt: wat bag
[18:50:36] EatsAllLife: Trade me anyways
[18:50:36] holosko: with bones and furs
[18:50:47] SimAnt: did u know about rest of drops though
[18:51:13] Danika: 777 shots lol
[18:51:50] Mica: when you going to be done trading?
Hourly time-stamp: log continued at 2016-04-24 18:51:57 localtime (Eastern Daylight Time)
[18:51:59] EatsAllLife: We're done now, why?
[18:53:11] [Mica @ 666]: was a good dtf, thanks all, have to go now
[18:54:40] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Ald missed DTF :/
[18:54:58] [AlddrA @ 6]: oh no....really???
[18:55:02] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Yeah, just ended
[18:55:19] [AlddrA @ 6]: damn, I had to leave for a bit...was it good?
[18:55:33] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Yeah, started terribly, but we pulled through, and won
[18:55:39] [SimAnt @ 6]: i think start was good
[18:55:42] You see: SimAnt
[18:55:48] You see: SimAnt
[18:55:58] [EatsAllLife @ 6]: Sim, we were screwed up at start, and you know it lol
[18:56:10] [SimAnt @ 6]: i can x8 bunnies ez
[18:56:29] [AlddrA @ 6]: lol
[18:57:13] SimAnt: maybe learner buy cloak
[18:57:20] Zian: lol
[18:57:28] holosko: will he :) ?
[18:57:30] Zian: auction it


So in the end i got 7k. gc - gifted eats a tit long because he complaining about losing his bag at start from his own fault of going in area beyond what he could handle.

I feel it should have been a roll even mica and battle wizard as low levels should have had chance to get the item, certain players can choose to not take a share (Zian, Holosko)
if we are going to share items from DTF, share all the drops.
Tanking a mob doesn't give you the right to not put it in the share.  
Picking a number in your head and saying "I win" when we doing rolls before a number was even picked for group is not winning the roll.


Edit: I have received my Tit long back. And eats "says" he will:
donate camo to grimm for a contest
offer danika the serp sword.

#2 EatsAllLife

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:23 PM

Alright, for one, it wasn't in my head. I posted in channel. Either 12, or 17, the #roll1d20 in channel came to 17. A number, I had guessed. My point of view, and opinion biased on this subject, is the more rare drops, in example this CAMO CLOAK, and the SERP. It should be between the biggest contributing players in the event, which had been Zian, Holosko, and I. Zian tanked a boss (Possessed, which in this case was possessed Skeleton) I tanked Posessed Irish Lightning, Holosko healed through them both. I believe I, Zian, or Holo should have gotten the cloak. Which Which it happened to come to me, as Zian didn't want the cloak, and Holosko didn't want anything I OFFERED HIM the serpent sword, he refused to take, and Zian decided to not take anything, including the gold coins. I don't believe players that lost no items through the fight should get the rarest of drops for just being upon the boss. The players that contributed the most money, and items should get the bigger reward, no?

Yes, Simant you DID tank a boss, but not a very hard boss, considering it was meant for BATTLEWIZARD. So you maybe took 20 damage from the boss. Also: You want the dumb tit long back, trade me. Before going around and accusing me of being a BagJumper, knowing how many bags I've helped save, and people recover from, know that I am not an unreasonable player, as many can double up upon. I help many new players, just ask BW how I gave them EVERYTHING needed for rank 5 def  god.

#3 Siarato

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:32 PM

The player who used most items and money should not receive the biggest reward, This is a TEAM effort and all drops and gc should be shared equally between ALL team members.

This drop should really be auctioned and sold to highest bidder and gc shared between all team members. If Eats wishes to buy the cape then he should be prepared to put in the highest bid needed to win the auction. ;)

#4 EatsAllLife

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:38 PM

View PostSiarato, on 30 April 2016 - 03:32 PM, said:

The player who used most items and money should not receive the biggest reward, This is a TEAM effort and all drops and gc should be shared equally between ALL team members.

This drop should really be auctioned and sold to highest bidder and gc shared between all team members. If Eats wishes to buy the cape then he should be prepared to put in the highest bid needed to win the auction. ;)
Correct, it is a TEAM EFFORT. But - as most events go in other games, such as World of Warcraft, the players that did more work tend to get a better share. So if there is a noob being carried through an event spending 5k vs a player who spent 50k, why should the odds for a GREAT prize, be equal? That's NOT fair.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:43 PM

Sorry Eats, I disagree with share only being between the bigger fighters.  The proceeds from a DTF, has been and should always be shared between all participants in the event regardless of their position in it.

:huh: ^_^

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:45 PM

View PostAlddrA, on 30 April 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Sorry Eats, I disagree with share only being between the bigger fighters.  The proceeds from a DTF, has been and should always be shared between all participants in the event regardless of their position in it.

:huh: ^_^
Alright, so you're standards there, means if someone joins in late, gets ~15 kills when everyone else kills 150, and lost stuff, they should get equal GC share at the end? What a nice way to abuse the system.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:54 PM

omg, talk about twisting words!!!, that is not what I said....I have given a lesser share to someone who came in at the end of DTF as you very well know....because that person was you!

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 04:00 PM

I agreed, and yes twisting words because whats WRONG with giving someone WHO DID MORE, the BETTER PRIZES, than giving someone who DID LESS a WORSE PRIZE?!

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 05:46 PM

I agree with Siarato in that DTF is a team effort and all participants should be given the same opportunity.  I put in a lot of resources when I participate in DTF but that often comes with great xp and by no means is it appropriate to expect a bigger share at the end (even after say1.5k arrows and 100 heals!)

In this case the most reasonable thing to do seems to be for team members to vote on either auctioning it for split or gifting it to eats

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 05:52 PM

Resolved and sent to Auction

http://www.other-lif...ive-camouflage/




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