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Poll: Change the time between Soft Rests? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

Do we want to change the time between Soft Resets?

  1. Yes, to once every two weeks (16 votes [57.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. No, leave it as it is (12 votes [42.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

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#21 PandemiC

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:38 AM

View Postohmygod, on 16 May 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

Is it cosher to post PMs?

Not really.


Okay, seen as everything seems to have some kind of trade-off lately, how about adding a third option to vote?

Keep soft-resets at 30 days/15$/plats. If you so badly want to reset within 30 days, you pay 25$/plats instead. If you pay 25$/plats, your 30 days resets again.

Or perhaps you could add a 'cap' to the # of times overall one person could soft-reset while removing/reducing the 30 day 'limit'.

I'd be willing to support that; It seems more in the spirit of 'supporting the server' whilst getting what you want.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:49 AM

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

I do not agree with the nay sayers.  No way is OL p2win.
Yeah but giving players with money advantages over players without is pay 2 win. Since it is a mechanic which requires somebody to spend money, where they get a tangible mechanical advantage, rather than a cosmetic advantages, it falls within the realm of pay 2 win. I'm sorry, but it does. The player who spends the money will always get something. This is how there are some players who hardly play that have shit loads of gc in their storage, and how some players managed to level extraordinarily quickly, by buying and selling plats for tangible advantage in game.

It is a mechanic placed behind a pay wall. It is the same as a rostogol. It is built on the psychology that this is easier to pay RL $ for than to spend the time grinding and earning gold in game. That is a freemium, or pay 2 win, and what they do on mobile games.

This is something you can learn very quickly if you have ever spent any proper time in games or researching game economies... Freemium or pay 2 win is shit for game design, but makes more money. You are actively making the game more P2W

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

If a player wishes to spend their gc on plats to soft reset or their $, it helps to support the game.
Learner has already stated he doesn't believe this is the reason people are voting for it.

Again, if you want to support the game and don't want to make it pay 2 win, buy cosmetics or donate. There are people arguing for this that I bet you, do not donate to the game, whilst some voting against this have funded far more than you guys.

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

Where do you get the idea that Learner is so rich that he is able to afford to run the servers he needs to pay to bring us this game.
No one said that, and as stated to your original post, and above, this point is kind of a loose excuse rather than a real reason.

How about this. Why does a player reset as often as they do? Oh, it's because it gives them a sizeable advantage for what they are planning to do in the next bit of play. The more often they can do it, the more sizeable that advantage is. Do you know what we call this AlddrA? We call this Pay 2 Win, because you are paying cash for a sizeable advantage. It's shocking, I know.

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

What about his time in re coding the game to give us players what we cry and bitch for?
Again, when the guy you say this would help support with cash argues that it isn't this is being pushed, there are flaws in the argument.

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

Which one of you would give people a totally free game without adding some perks that would require some form of payment.
Okay, so you know I talked about selling just cosmetics. There are some superb games that just do that, and have supplied content for free for many years. I shall point you towards Team Fortress 2, which was released 11 years ago, and you know, keeps itself going with an economy of cosmetic items. I'd also like to point towards many other massive F2P games that do fantastically well out of doing microtransactions where they do not give one player and advantage over another.

So I'd like to put forward the question: Are you voting for this because you don't know that other games exist and you have no clue in how to add balanced microtransactions?

View PostAlddrA, on 16 May 2018 - 05:29 AM, said:

Only a millionaire can do that and he would charge something anyway.
This repetitive harping on p2win is getting very annoying.
lol. Well, none of you guys have given a solid argument why it needs to be shortened. As I said before, it seems to be greed on omg's part, apathy on people like ena's part and ignorance on yours.

Again, it says something that your only argument is that it funds the game and Learner doesn't believe you.

You have the idea that this will produce more money for learner. That only holds weight if you think that the advantages wrought by the soft reset make it strong enough for people to reset every fortnight. People already do every month to avoid balanced builds,  so I'd argue it'd be the same people able to dosh out shit loads of money who'd be taking advantage of it. That is pay 2 win. It's not a hard concept. If you pay for an advantage, that is pay to win.

So yeah, I'll keep bleeding saying it because you clearly don't bloody know what Pay 2 Win actually means. Some people here clearly don't know shit all about games in general, and that shouldn't fuck over this game.

View Postohmygod, on 16 May 2018 - 08:30 AM, said:

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This term is being used too loosely in OL and we are not talking about someone dropping a $50usd store bought Thermal serp here.

$15 every fortnight, ontop of I presume the $30 a year, it adds up. Currently you see the people with the most cash resetting the most often, and the OAPs, taking advantage of it not as an occassional system to change up the game to keep it fresh, but to avoid making balanced characters, and in essence do what trading with a single alt would have done.

You argued for it to be as often as you like. You do want it pay 2 win, and utterly unbalance what little we have in the economy.

The fact your arguments can be summed up like so:
"it gives learner money"
"it's only$15"

Shows how superficial, lazy and weightless they are. You two have not a single fundamental speck of understanding of game design, or balance. This has been shown fairly repeatedly in various threads. That's fine. But when you use that as a basis to unbalance and fuck up the game, tbh, it's a bit of a dick move, just because you want your cash to make up for your lack of ability in game.

Learner doesn't believe this is anything but a greedy grab from what little he has said about this. I hope he takes this poll only in an advisory way. I don't think he should implement it against his best judgement, especially when there is no solid argument, and it has only been voted through with greed, apathy and ignorance.

#23 ohmygod

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:22 AM

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Okay, seen as everything seems to have some kind of trade-off lately, how about adding a third option to vote?

Keep soft-resets at 30 days/15$/plats. If you so badly want to reset within 30 days, you pay 25$/plats instead. If you pay 25$/plats, your 30 days resets again.

Or perhaps you could add a 'cap' to the # of times overall one person could soft-reset while removing/reducing the 30 day 'limit'.

I'd be willing to support that; It seems more in the spirit of 'supporting the server' whilst getting what you want.

Finally some option from the nay Sayers. other than Butlers repetitive dribble...

I would be agreeable as the sponsor of this poll that currently already has the "majority" yes vote on a two week CD, to change the NO option to a 3 week CD with your other suggestions as is including the prices, and have everyone recast their vote. Those voting for the rejigged NO option can suggest what the #the cap might be set at as they post. 1 or greater obviously.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:29 AM

Yeah i had thought more about it, and changed my mind, why are you posting personal PM's?

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

View Postohmygod, on 16 May 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

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Finally some option from the nay Sayers. other than Butlers repetitive dribble...
Not drivel since i reason and back up my statements, rather than non sequiturs and dismissive comments as is all you have posted... Panda has also posted previously...

Really bloody ironic considering it's been me making points versus you and ald's 4 word statements that are about as light and weightless as a feather in a hurricane.

View Postohmygod, on 16 May 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

I would be agreeable as the sponsor of this poll that currently already has the "majority" yes vote on a two week CD, to change the NO option to a 3 week CD with your other suggestions as is including the prices, and have everyone recast their vote. Those voting for the rejigged option can suggest what the #the cap might be set at as they post. 1 or greater obviously.
You're still thinking about yourself over the game with this poll. I still don't believe you care about making the game balanced rather than making yourself able to abuse mechanics. This poll is because you want to be greedy, and it will result in less player interaction.

You currently just have 42 supporting you out of blind faith, ignoring any sort of thought in terms of design, balance or even really a sense of how games are built or function.

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 11:42 AM

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Yeah i had thought more about it, and changed my mind, why are you posting personal PM's?
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#27 butler

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:33 PM

So i decided to delve into the thread this came from an go through everything you said and show how broken it is, as you don't have the confidence to post it here yourself. If people are interested in this thread it is here, and it consists largely of a bug OMG wished to abuse long term.

View Postohmygod, on 15 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Just checking out the shop features and saw that soft resets have a 30 day cooldown. Why is this?

I hated on EL that my time i invested in a character was deleted when i did a #reset and actually like the idea that with the feature offered in OL i can mess around with a build for any of the skills i wish to level if i get bored.
2 weeks is an awfully short time to get bored in, as is a month, especially in an MMO. Are you sure you're playing the correct genre if you get bored so quickly?

View Postohmygod, on 15 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

I think people should be able to soft reset at anytime if they want to try out new builds or develop up other skills as they wish. Yes they can try out builds on test server but that is not for me.. ok call me picky but hey its my opinion and can be allowed to express it.
So, it's available on test server as you state, but you don't like it, yet you express absolutely no reasoning except "fuck it, it's my opinion." The world is run by a shadow government of knights templar is an opinion, yet it doesn't hold any weight, as there is no proof nor reasoning behind it.

So, it's not... really a point...

View Postohmygod, on 15 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Someone said that there was an issue with people abusing this.... Not sure how it can be abuse if real money is going to the developer each time, and for pk hey if you get your ass PKed because you thought the person had a weaker build than he/she had 10min before then dont go in to PK.
You know they removed the a/d gods buffs from the game because it effectively became a required crutch for pvping. Your argument is also not coherent, it's just rambling attempt at trying to say that throwing cash at the game is... tactical in game? Wait.... I thought this wasn't supposed to be pay 2 win.

Wait a second... you don't think abuse is abuse if you're paying the dev to abuse game mechanics... so I guess radu's shop in EL isn't pay 2 win then, with the rostogols and the haidir passes and so on...? I mean, that's what that point really is, isn't it. It's not abuse if the dev sanctions it, then you're just a whale paying for an advantage. It stops being abuse and becomes... pay 2 win.

View Postohmygod, on 15 April 2013 - 02:52 AM, said:

Can some one give me a good reason why there is a 30 day CD on soft resets as at present I think this sucks Posted Image
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here's the fun thing, we've given you shit loads of good reasons.

And on to the next post, and I will forewarn, I did unbold these, because I'm not a child, and I don't need to block bold text to make a point, and I know it's easier to read that shit without it.

View Postohmygod, on 27 February 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

http://www.other-lif...t__40#entry8952

It is 2017 now - is there any thought about this being reduced in relation to the cooldown time on resets or has it been forgotten about?
It pretty much got shelved since you were really the only bugger really desperate to abuse that mechanic. Everybody else was pretty much, well it'd fuck things up if we got more people or a pk scene, but if you want to shit out money on the game to break it...

Also Kiwi also made good points. Actual points. Compared to the formless, text sprawls you posted exempt of any attempted reasoning.

View Postohmygod, on 27 February 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

I ask as I personally, would like to mix/manu during the week
Then mix into your build some nexus like most other players in the game do... make a balanced build so that you can do what you want both during the week and the weekend. It's not that hard. Most of us have done it for over 5 years now.

View Postohmygod, on 27 February 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

- Party in invasions and waste all my stuff on weekends helping my new guildies either in a tank build (maxed out reaction/toughness/material) or help with melee dps( maxed out Dexterity/might), Ranged (not sure what is good for rangers) or as a remote healer (Maxed Rationality/Ethereality.) and then rinse and repeat the fun for the following week, in a different way......
Ah, why have builds at all if you can change at them whenever you please. Nevermind that most games set up a rigid class system to ensure that players require socialising and teamwork, and need to expand out of small inner circles to take on challenges when you can just ignore the entire system of making a solid build and turn every single person who's specialised over the years, and devoted time into specific builds to reap the rewards. Yes, fuck you bat17, and making sure you could become a solid allrounder, fuck you annraoi for trying to be the best harver, fuck you warlock, zian, sircry and nm for spending so long making the best fighters possible, fuck you DueCE & holosko for focusing on becoming absurdly good mages, fuck pegasus for her devotion to range, fuck Ash and me for our devotion to becoming a tank, fuck everybody who's tried making a solid bloody build for an end goal because you want to throw money at it to avoid that effort, that grind in a fucking MMO, when you rather it be a fucking mobile game.

If you so desperately want your money to amplify or replace your skill in a game, play a Korean/Chinese MMO where the Pay 2 Win is real.

This is really the quote that gets down to why you want this. You just want to avoid making proper builds in the game. I mean, why do we stop here. Why don't we just remove all nex, all xattris and perks and that, because you clearly do not want to make considered builds that let you do everything you want to do. You don't want any sacrifice in your builds, but you want all the rewards.

View Postohmygod, on 27 February 2017 - 03:54 AM, said:

Stuck in a fixed build for longer than i have to, is sucky imho. Yes I can make 3 other characters/alts and train them especially for a fixed role, but fuk that, I have a life.... Sorry if my post offends anyone.
Then fix your builds to let you do multiple things ffs.

View Postohmygod, on 10 March 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

A month is too, long though imo

Excellent insights. This is a real post. This is real. This is supposed to be a useful argument that it's too long.

View PostAlddrA, on 11 March 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

The amount of time for a soft reset is 1 month.  That is what was agreed upon by a poll.  It really is not too long an interval between soft resets Posted Image

Ald, wish to comment, or are you just following your guildies line, or is it a guild party line? I know you can think independently, and I'm rather disappointed recently by your willingness to just ignore flaws with your guildies, or just completely change tune solely to "protect" them, and just conveniently forget things that don't quite support your line now. I mean first, accepting a racist you had been warned was a racist, after being warned previously, then defending them, and then just going against what I'm sure you know is bad for the game, just so omg can be a lazy sod and not put in the effort you, or anyone else has in terms of making balanced characters, so he can just skip out on that part of the game, that part of the game that i think is one of EL/OLs best elements, the element of choosing a build that suits all your interests.

But I suppose blind faith in guildies is easy, no matter how flawed they are. At least I know which guildies I've had are cocks, I dislike or distrust. I disagree with my guildies when i think they are wrong. It's a cowards path to just follow their line because they are your guildie. I at least respect GyNo for disagreeing with me, and telling me why. I don't respect the people who don't question.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:14 AM

I kind of think that you may have developed a hard on for me butler. I am kinda flattered but just so you know I am a giver not a taker sweet cheeks, and will let you ponder on that thought for a moment.

Back on topic.

11 votes to 15 now. + a new member to forums

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM

Soft resets to two weeks ruin the economy....really....snicker
Spending a $1000 on soft resets will make me a Warlock level fighter in no time? Ha Ha Ha Ha!...wipes tears.
This game the most important currency is time, no amount of soft resets will kill me 100K Cycs (or 200k? I forgot) in a month or even a year.
It is not going to make Serp stones drop any quicker.  And for sure it won't stop breakages?
So what real advantage is it going to give any idiot willing to part with their real coin for virtual plats?
Nothing...Two weeks of being a mixer will not ever catch up to Bat. Two weeks of Fighter off and on is never going to allow anyone to equal Warlock
Anybody who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded, got an ax to grind or has way too much mental time on their hands...

Soft resets will ruin the economy, what will they think of next?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:26 AM

11 to 16

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 06:44 AM

View Postohmygod, on 17 May 2018 - 06:26 AM, said:

11 to 16
No need to keep a running status on how the voting is going. It's easy enough for people to check.

Reminder, you can stil change your vote if you've changed your mind as long as the Poll is open.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:09 AM

View Postohmygod, on 17 May 2018 - 03:14 AM, said:

I kind of think that you may have developed a hard on for me butler. I am kinda flattered but just so you know I am a giver not a taker sweet cheeks, and will let you ponder on that thought for a moment.

Back on topic.

11 votes to 15 now. + a new member to forums
So you can't make an argument FOR the change, but you can throw out insults and herd sheep to vote for it.

View Postebattleon, on 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

Soft resets to two weeks ruin the economy....really....snicker
Spending a $1000 on soft resets will make me a Warlock level fighter in no time? Ha Ha Ha Ha!...wipes tears.
This game the most important currency is time, no amount of soft resets will kill me 100K Cycs (or 200k? I forgot) in a month or even a year.
It is not going to make Serp stones drop any quicker.  And for sure it won't stop breakages?
So what real advantage is it going to give any idiot willing to part with their real coin for virtual plats?
Nothing...Two weeks of being a mixer will not ever catch up to Bat. Two weeks of Fighter off and on is never going to allow anyone to equal Warlock
Anybody who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded, got an ax to grind or has way too much mental time on their hands...

Soft resets will ruin the economy, what will they think of next?
Please list out reasons FOR the change! Also, no one claimed that 2 weeks would let you catch up to Warlock/bat level players more quickly, the point was it degrades the class system of the game and it makes their dedication and focus towards a skillset less meaningful, which ultimately leads to the question should we just remove all pick points and max stats out so everyone can be the best at everything all the time.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 07:24 AM

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So you can't make an argument FOR the change, but you can throw out insults and herd sheep to vote for it.
Ha I have magic powers and can mind control people into casting votes and making comments? For butler and now you suggest this is very naive and demeaning to the intelligence of OL players. Ena is not even in the same guild i am in and got bagged for her vote and comment.

The people who cast votes and make comments have free will unfortunately(?) and it seems some can even see through the bullshit fear mongering P2WIN/ruin economy argument being used in copious amounts in this Poll.

Uncle bob says it best. "You can fool some people sometimes but you cant fool all the people all the time" and I really do hope we get more people commenting on this poll as to what they really think.

As to my short replies no matter what I say i will get shit on it seems, yet the numbers are what they are no matter how many words i chose to string together. I have free will and one vote as do you and the 27 people who have cast their vote so far.

ADDED: Since when was this even a guild thing?

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:45 PM

View Postohmygod, on 17 May 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

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So you can't make an argument FOR the change, but you can throw out insults and herd sheep to vote for it.
Ha I have magic powers and can mind control people into casting votes and making comments.For butler and now you suggest this is very naive and demeaning to the intelligence of OL players. Ena is not even in the same guild i am in and got bagged for her vote and comment.

The people who cast votes and make comments have free will unfortunately(?) and it seems can see through the bullshit fear mongering P2WIN/ruin economy argument being used in copious amounts in this Poll.

Uncle bob says it best. "You can fool some people sometimes but you cant fool all the people all the time" and really do hope we get more people commenting on this poll as to what they really think.

As to my short replies no matter what I say i will get shit on it seems, yet the numbers are what they are no matter how many words i chose to string together. I have free will and one vote as do you and the 27 people who have cast their vote so far.

ADDED: Since when was this even a guild thing?
Really, what the hell. All I see from you is insults and childishness. I was referring to sheep as people who vote without expressing any opinion to back up their vote, NOT "mind control".

Anyways, just so you know, as this poll is a controversation issue it will actually require an argument FOR it to go into effect, even if the the number of people for it has more votes. The poll voting system does not just automatically implement all ideas that people vote on without limit. So please, if you really want this to be approved, provide an argument FOR the position of shorting the cool down on soft resets. To be clear, an argument FOR does not include personal attacks or dismissing others concerns, as the former is childishness and the latter is an attempt to rebuff arguments against this.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:49 PM

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custom game play is where Im at with this
The game has this feature set at one month I have asked the question to reduce this to 2 weeks as i dont see it impacting negatively on the game or even others players custom enjoyment of it, other than to increase the things i can have fun doing more often and spending more of my time playing.

I say "I" and"my" as i don't assume to speak for others that may feel the same way. They can post their thoughts as they wish.

All i am seeing is Fake news and game controlling paranoia.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:54 PM

I voted Yes for the simple reason that I figured two weeks was long enough to try something out. I could go to test, I guess, But I figured for this poll it should be up to the person that wants to do the reset.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 07:26 AM

View PostSimAnt, on 17 May 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:


Please list out reasons FOR the change! Also, no one claimed that 2 weeks would let you catch up to Warlock/bat level players more quickly, the point was it degrades the class system of the game and it makes their dedication and focus towards a skillset less meaningful, which ultimately leads to the question should we just remove all pick points and max stats out so everyone can be the best at everything all the time.

Simple really choice...let people play how they want play. Not force your will upon how YOU want them to play.
If a player chooses to hop around and willing to pay the price they should be able to do so.
Also the real coin created by such players will secure server costs and possibly improvements which keep the game free for rest of us.
Anybody who is against attracting more money for OL's upkeep is essentially against OL survival as  FtoP game...so in my opinion two week is too long.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 09:59 AM

View Postebattleon, on 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

Soft resets to two weeks ruin the economy....really....snicker
Spending a $1000 on soft resets will make me a Warlock level fighter in no time? Ha Ha Ha Ha!...wipes tears.
Okay, now what you can do is go full fighter build to maximise your a/d experience, then change very quickly to a build to maximise your magic experience, and then change your build to maximise your mixing experience, quicker. That option isn't avaliable to players without shitloads of cash.

View Postebattleon, on 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

This game the most important currency is time, no amount of soft resets will kill me 100K Cycs (or 200k? I forgot) in a month or even a year.
You can kill them quicker because you don't need to worry about having to balance your character for other things. You can ignore most of the build elements of the game.

View Postebattleon, on 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

It is not going to make Serp stones drop any quicker.  And for sure it won't stop breakages?
So what real advantage is it going to give any idiot willing to part with their real coin for virtual plats?
Nothing...Two weeks of being a mixer will not ever catch up to Bat. Two weeks of Fighter off and on is never going to allow anyone to equal Warlock
Okay, so, if I had lots of money, what I'd do is pour that money into soft resetting to make each build of time be as efficient for each skill as possible, and go full on one skill. Bat17's build, afaik, is based around doing pretty much everything well, equally. You could catch up to him waaaay quicker by abusing the soft resets, especially when they get shortened.

View Postebattleon, on 17 May 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

Anybody who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded, got an ax to grind or has way too much mental time on their hands...

Soft resets will ruin the economy, what will they think of next?
Maybe people will actually vote for something that will help the game, rather than thinking at a level as shallow as a puddle.

You're saying 2 week period to catch up, and are purposefully dodging around the main points. I have no axe to grind, I just thoroughly believe this is a bad idea. When you can't convince the dev of your game, that this is to fund him, rather than just you wanting to pay for an advantage, you have issues with your arguments.

View PostCardome, on 17 May 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

I voted Yes for the simple reason that I figured two weeks was long enough to try something out. I could go to test, I guess, But I figured for this poll it should be up to the person that wants to do the reset.

But that is damaging by giving people with RL$ more power than us players who can't spend so much of it. This is equal to haidir passes, probably more so, because it's a tangible advantage you pay for. You still need to put time into it, but you are cutting that time requirement significantly. You are putting peoples wallets above peoples desire to play.

View Postohmygod, on 17 May 2018 - 03:14 AM, said:

I kind of think that you may have developed a hard on for me butler. I am kinda flattered but just so you know I am a giver not a taker sweet cheeks, and will let you ponder on that thought for a moment.
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Real original, and how grown up. I'm not at all taken by a geriatric 50 year old man who isn't smart enough to figure out the quote function on forums.

I ain't got nothing against you, seems more like you've got something against me, considering all the insults you've hurled at me, rather than taking any time to actually look at any of my points and do a counter argument.

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custom game play is where Im at with this
The game has this feature set at one month I have asked the question to reduce this to 2 weeks as i dont see it impacting negatively on the game or even others players custom enjoyment of it, other than to increase the things i can have fun doing more often and spending more of my time playing.

I say "I" and"my" as i don't assume to speak for others that may feel the same way. They can post their thoughts as they wish.

All i am seeing is Fake news and game controlling paranoia.
You got to love people quoting Donald Trump to try and make their point sound more sound, when they have said pretty much nothing.

I'll do propose this: If someone proposed rostogol stones, or something equivalent to haidir passes, for the OL Shop, would you vote for that and say it's not pay 2 win? How is it not pay 2 win? Pay 2 win isn't just instant power, it's the ability to gain power quicker than those without money. How is soft resets, probably the most powerful, you have to pay for this to get it, service on the shop, with shortening times, not pay 2 win?

I've actually looked into Freemium and Pay 2 Win style game economies. I have read through articles, watched videos and explored the design of these things, and how they psychologically get you to spend money on the games to make it easier for you, to get that advantage over the poorer players. I've looked into how this type of dirty design works, and you're heading there with soft resets, and you do not understand how truly fair free games fund themselves by not giving you any advantage with any item you buy from the shop. If a game is truly good, and you truly want to support it, buy the cosmetics or donate.

This isn't a question about paying learner more. He doesn't even believe you in that one. This is about you getting more power in exchange for your money. That's what it boils down to.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 03:37 PM

What is a poll? Is this a survey of 1-2-3 persons views or a vote by many for change?

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I'll do propose this: If someone proposed rostogol stones, or something equivalent to haidir passes,
Once again you focus your argument on fake news shit? Where is it posted anywhere this poll is about stones or other shit? Soft resets are part of OL right now these other things you post to raise paranoia is not. I would prefer you to highlight how the 1 month reset has caused detriment to the game rather than fantasizing about stuff not being voted on in this poll.

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Okay, now what you can do is go full fighter build to maximise your a/d experience, then change very quickly to a build to maximise your magic experience, and then change your build to maximise your mixing experience, quicker. That option isn't avaliable to players without shitloads of cash.
Point answered already and you still harp on about it...Spend "time in" the game and you can buy the soft reset with gc and this is the other option over RL cash.

FACT: Market is a sellers dream.(50k for a Large pack and loads of people will buy all sorts of bulk harvestables finished products and furs) unless you are advocating for AFKer players?

Oh and side note raising the Plat cost to reset actually disadvantages the players who reset via gc to plat option. If so concerned as you claim to be, maybe you should be advocating instead for a reduction in that cost to address your concerns about this issue?

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Okay, so, if I had lots of money, what I'd do is pour that money into soft resetting to make each build of time be as efficient for each skill as possible, and go full on one skill. Bat17's build, afaik, is based around doing pretty much everything well, equally. You could catch up to him waaaay quicker by abusing the soft resets, especially when they get shortened.
More fake news. 3-4 years is a bloody long time to be "catching up" in so dont talk crap, and so what? Is this the "WIN" you talk about so passionately? hahaha? I reckon it would actually be a win for community as the resetting player has actually stayed in game and played for the 3-4 years it would take and we would have someone other than Bat to go to to get our high level items made. As to "having lots of RL money" see my comment about reducing the plat cost of resets for those who chose the gc path.

I agree with EB we will not see WL or BAT getting passed anytime soon as we are talking about billions of xp that need to be made do so and again, this does not occur no matter how many times you soft reset you still have to actively click on shit or press a button.

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I voted Yes for the simple reason that I figured two weeks was long enough to try something out. I could go to test, I guess, But I figured for this poll it should be up to the person that wants to do the reset.




But that is damaging by giving people with RL$ more power than us players who can't spend so much of it. This is equal to haidir passes, probably more so, because it's a tangible advantage you pay for. You still need to put time into it, but you are cutting that time requirement significantly. You are putting peoples wallets above peoples desire to play.

does not make any sense if the established fact is that "time in game" is what matters over real $, Paying $1000 in resets or using 100s of thousands  in gc and then sitting at sto scratching ass means nothing. Resetters still have to be active.

This is not about wallets or even empty ones this is about being active and actually playing the game as  "Time in game is the real currency. in OL"

Oh and hats off to WL and BAT for their determination and grind to achieve what they have in relation to the heights they have reached in this game.

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:00 PM

Man, this is getting boring now, whatever happens, can we just hurry the fuck up about it

Back and forth back and forth

I actually dont care anymore





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