Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:40 PM
Opinions please, and some poll questions? If it looks like people want it banned, i shall pay for a poll.
I personally want it banned outright, all people who traded characters before the start of any poll, if it happens, should keep their purchases though.
Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:51 PM
"Remember that sometimes not getting what you want is a wonderful stroke of luck"
Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:58 PM
Also, if a high level char suddenly comes to another known players IP address, wouldn't you be able to auto lock it with a message to PM L on forums. OR just notifies Learner, and he can question the people.
Also people tend to talk in different patterns, and if their quieter, then it kind of sends up red flags.
Posted 09 November 2013 - 01:07 PM
Posted 09 November 2013 - 02:04 PM
I dislike the idea of 'unnaturally' levelled characters that are able to get leaps and bounds ahead because multiple people have spent hours and hours on end training them. A lot of the time the complaint of being bored with the game comes from people who buy ready made characters and bypass the levelling part of playing.
Playing through the game to get to the higher levels should be an enjoyable part of the game. If people want to buy their way into higher levels because the lower levels are boring, or painful, or 'unprofitable', that is something that should be addressed or at the very least discussed eventually.
Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:30 AM
But making it taboo would be good, by say, people just not trading to them, or player enforced fines or hits. That would be benificial if something like what i said above would happen, because it would reduce Learner being spammed. I think a mixture of the two would be good.
Posted 10 November 2013 - 10:02 AM
Posted 11 November 2013 - 05:06 AM
samson - ofc they won't, and you completely missed the meaning of everything i said. Afaik, only hexa/WL as far as i know have been successfully sold off and used much. Best to target the issue before it becomes rife like in EL.
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Anyhows, i wonder how much harder it would be on L tracking illegal character sells compared to illegal gc sales?
Posted 11 November 2013 - 08:08 AM
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Posted 11 November 2013 - 12:43 PM
Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:53 PM
Opinions on Character buying, pros/cons that sort of thing please. I'd like some poll option ideas. I was thinking along the lines of...
Should We Ban Character Buying/Selling?
- Yes, Ban It All, Effective Immediately
- Yes, But Only With RL Currency
- No, But Any Traded Characters Should Be Announced To Community
- Not At All
- Don't Know
Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:05 PM
I'll admit my evidence is anecdotal but, it seems logical to expect someone who'd rather pay $$$ than level their own chars to then be more likely to want to buy black market gold than grind it. In this respect, it's the black market for gold that (imho) causes the real damage by incentivising practices such as gold farming, macroing, multi-trading which we know can cause significant damage. However, the problem is not just the damage, but the fact that such activities are difficult and time consuming to detect (particularly when the perpetrators are organised and determined).
Simply banning something won't deter people when there's a significant commercial motivation to do it. All you end up doing is driving it underground which, then only serves to increase the incidents of paypal scams. In any case, the right of ppl to trade their time for money is a fairly fundamental aspect of common law jurisprudence in all western democracies and forms part of one of the European Union's directives to all member states. It's therefore necessary to consider whether its really worth the pain trying to ban something that can't be stopped and where you may be on dubious legal ground by attempting to do so.
All that said, I still don't like char buying/selling. After all, a char isn't levelled by someone in isolation to others. Everyone relies on a whole economy of players to make stuff for them, buy stuff from them, etc etc. In other words, it takes the whole community to help make a char, for which we then get .......zip when that char is sold. All we are left with is the frustration, the mudflation and another damn nub parading around in delusions of grandeur. That seems to me, at least, as distinctly unfair.
If the game was to get "something" back each time char changed hands then I guess I might feel slightly less aggrieved by it. I'd feel even less aggrieved if it reduced the incentive to gold farmers, dissuaded the macroers and put the paypal scammers out of business. However, i'd suggest that the only way to do that is if the community takes control away from the black market by managing both the char and gold market itself.
I know that's unlikely to be a popular suggestion (I don't like it much either). However, I put it forward only because it may be significantly more effective and beneficial than banning.
PS: for a wonderful example of what happens when you try and post on this subject in EL - http://www.eternal-l...topic=56103&hl=
Posted 12 November 2013 - 04:56 AM
I would comment on EL link but im on a computer which heavily censors anything with the word game on its pages, and still impressed OL Forums aren't blocked.
Ok had a look at EL one, and I see what your talking about. Always wondered why people would tend to skew the OP topic to another problem they dislike. Many pointless, unhelpful or stupid posts as well. Still puzzled why they seemed to have editted your post. cruel.
Character trading in EL is at the same stage as Guns in america, People have got so used to having them, and become so ordinary to them, it doesnt occur to them why to change it, and if they did, their is no logical or sensible way to stop it, without it going underground.
But here, we have a fresh server, fresh characters, and some fresh people. Take advantage of the fact that RuneScape/World Of Warcraft/etc. ban character/gold selling, and try and get by on people expecting such standards. Those who slip through the cracks could be caught through a combination of code and players. Once flagged up, can be administered to as multi playing is.
Interesting though, Popeyes post is abosutley 100% incorrect. Videogames are sold to people, are pixels. It is the basis of ingame micro transaction shops. No difference. And iirc, in some eastern countries, if you delete a character "illegally", then you can face jail sentences, because people spend so much time and money on them.
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